tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post1345994747290543192..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: Poor Logic From a Guardian ReaderYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-64221865560758938172010-01-12T19:08:38.063+02:002010-01-12T19:08:38.063+02:00Re "moist earth and olive trees":
You k...Re "moist earth and olive trees":<br /><br />You know, you can plant olive trees in a lot of places.<br /><br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-87067493727782861552010-01-12T17:57:44.924+02:002010-01-12T17:57:44.924+02:00I (who was "banned" after supporting Riv...I (who was "banned" after supporting Rivka Carmi when she was cyber-mobbed for her rebuttal of Neve Gordon on CIF) received a similar message.<br /><br /><br />"Untrusted"?? He is posting 9 or 10 times a day, still!!<br /><br />Try posting the same comment as Bapthorpe's about Moslems on CIF, and you will be banned before the pixels are dry on your screen.<br /><br /><br />However, yakov, I think it is really a dilemma - do you leave posts like his so the decent or ignorant can see what is crawling around iunder the surface, or delete them since they are so disgusting.<br /><br />I am ambivalent. <br /><br />I would have left Bapthorpe's comment, since it does not include the usual anti-Semitic invective, just as an indication of what is passing for acceptable speech and thought in Britain these days.<br /><br />I recommend that all reading his comment write to as many news outlets as possible to draw attention to the Guardian's role in providing a forum for this type of person, and permitting him to continue commenting there.AKUSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-47692832664138034502010-01-12T16:10:41.470+02:002010-01-12T16:10:41.470+02:00...contrary to the impression Cif Watch chooses to...<i>...contrary to the impression Cif Watch chooses to give...</i><br /><br />Pathetic, but undeniably cute, which I suppose is the Guardian in a nutshell....<br /><br />One of the more interesting questions, to my mind, is at what point will the Guardian (and those it presumably speaks for) choke on its own sarcasm.<br /><br />Put another way, in what manner will the discovery that consistent prevarication---and then lying that one has been prevaricating (meta-prevarication?)---does have consequences, occur?Barry Meislinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04795125774426217113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-91731738306538818882010-01-12T14:22:37.027+02:002010-01-12T14:22:37.027+02:00Yaacov, It is hard to avoid the concern that Bapth...Yaacov, It is hard to avoid the concern that Bapthorpe is only giving voice to the subconscious view – and subconscious agenda – held by the majority of Guardianistas and by Guardian management.<br /><br />The further agenda is to prevent Israel from defending itself and so contribute to the same objective (of eliminating Israel and Judaism).Herlz's Daughternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-33771072826046847142010-01-12T13:50:48.959+02:002010-01-12T13:50:48.959+02:00Israel's record in Gaza compares quite favorab...Israel's record in Gaza compares quite favorably to that of many nations that have done far worse to their own people. Yet this is ignored and the Jews are looked upon as uniquely evil. That is why the world is obsessed with what Israel did in Gaza considering it wasn't really an act of aggression.<br /><br />It was in response to one that went on unabated for nearly a decade. But we are not allowed to remember it. This is where the truth has to be suppressed in favor of inciting Jew-hatred.<br /><br />And we thought the Middle Ages was behind us.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-11160438573725607532010-01-12T12:11:23.105+02:002010-01-12T12:11:23.105+02:00here's another example of how the "cultur...here's another example of how the "cultured" go about it http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2010/01/18/100118crbo_books_pierpont<br /><br />pieces like this one worry me no end because there is very little stuff against which you can protest/argue without seeming a nitpicker, getting accused of wilfully misreading etc. But would any presentation of any other language literature totally side with how this literature writes about the act of killing somebody? I doubt it. Therefore articles like this one create a climate of acceptability in the aspiring to be educated/to climb socially crowds. After the fact of course only the ones who did the actual bloody work will have been guilty while the others get a new life selling new articles on what they really meant to say and they'll get away with it or they get even written about admiringly (Martin Heidegger, Carl Schmitt, Martin Luther, Richard Wagner - the world can't help admiring them and trying to whitewash them over and over)<br /><br />But the most revealing sentence in the New Yorker piece is this one:<br /><br />"it is about the longing—just emerging in the Palestinian public voice—for the moist earth and the olive trees of the villages left behind in 1948."<br /><br />What could one offer that might beat the combination of MOIST earth and olive trees? No life-saving drug can ever even aspire to beating that image. Women with nails so well groomed that they will hesitate to touch anything resembling dirt will swoon at the idea of sinewy peasants tilling the moist earth - didn't Marie Antoinette like to party pretending to herd sheep? <br />rgds,<br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com