tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post1468480404085810469..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: Negotiating With TerroristsYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-86848260203855099102010-06-29T21:32:03.352+03:002010-06-29T21:32:03.352+03:00Ah, thanks Yaacov. That's how I understood the...Ah, thanks Yaacov. That's how I understood the difference between "kol ha'kavod" and "mazal tov," and I'm glad that was confirmed.<br /><br />I don't know how Hebrew-speaking Israelis say mazal tov, but people in my shul (which is Conservative) tend to say "maZAL TOV" (as in, with the same syllabic stress as Modern Hebrew) when in large groups, but they say "MAZl tav" (with the Yiddish syllabic stress on the penultimate syllable) when alone. This is true even of the younger generation (who otherwise follow Modern Hebrew pronunciation). "MAZl tav" tends to be the American understanding of how the phrase is rendered; even my extremely Gentile family understands that pronunciation.<br /><br />I think that American Jews tend to prefer mazal tov over kol ha'kavod, because whenever college/high school graduations are listed in the shul newsletter, the text reads, "a big mazal tov to XXXX for YYYYY accomplishment!" That's just my observation, though, and it might be different among slightly more Israel-oriented American Jews.Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099017972456573744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-36837860214451041892010-06-29T15:15:25.263+03:002010-06-29T15:15:25.263+03:00Yaacov
my mother was firmly convinced that whenev...Yaacov<br /><br />my mother was firmly convinced that whenever something out of glass broke that evil would follow and tension would only ease after something bad enough to qualify had happened.<br /><br />The Merksatz (remember phrase) goes <br /><br />"Glück und Glas, wie leicht bricht das" <br /><br />(luck/happyness and glass how easy do they break) <br />Might that be a belief that has entered teutonic folklore via the Jewish wedding ceremony where I've been told you break a glass?<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-4250614589080906682010-06-29T14:39:40.684+03:002010-06-29T14:39:40.684+03:00Interesting question, Bryan. Kol hakavod is, as yo...Interesting question, Bryan. Kol hakavod is, as you say, like "job well done" - isn't that what John McCain said to Obama the day he was nominated? Mazal tov means congratulations. The first connotes a bit more the culmination of an effort, the second a celebration of an event. You say mazal tov at a wedding, but you might, just maybe, say kol hakavod to the man who successfully wooed a very popular young woman to marry him, even tho he's as ugly as a kettle. You might say mazal tov to a businessman who has just landed a major bid, but it would be more accurate to say kol hakavod, since he worked very hard to make it happen.<br /><br />Also, whenever someone accidentally breaks a plate of glass, everyone immediately says mazal tov - not kol hakavod. (I think this originally stems from some superstition, but to me it always seems mostly simply humorous).<br /><br />I don't know if American Jews say mazal tov more, or differently, than Hebrew-speaking Israelis.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-56241208297929970982010-06-29T14:11:23.212+03:002010-06-29T14:11:23.212+03:00thanks Bryan
but I had hoped that Tony would cons...thanks Bryan<br /><br />but I had hoped that Tony would consent to comment on the weird "kavot" Google offered as one of its first results. ;-)))<br /><br />maybe he still does, if he really is a rabbi, he should have to say a lot about it (of course my only in depth exposure to a rabbi is Kemelman's David who, however, endeared the profession to me for life)<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-61930129953432342202010-06-29T02:51:42.679+03:002010-06-29T02:51:42.679+03:00Silke: "kavod" is Hebrew for "honor...Silke: "kavod" is Hebrew for "honor" (as I understand it). "Kol ha'kavod" ("all the honor") is a pretty common expression meaning "good job" or "congratulations." Thus, Rav Jutner was talking about Israel trying to get kudos or laurels from Hamas or Hizbullah.<br /><br />This also brings me to an interesting linguistic question for Yaacov: Yaacov, is there any difference between the usage of "kol ha'kavod" and "mazal tov?" Do Israelis use "mazal tov" as much as American Jews do?Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099017972456573744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-47581636274964516362010-06-28T17:08:25.301+03:002010-06-28T17:08:25.301+03:00Tony
I don't get it ????
Google tells me thi...Tony<br /><br />I don't get it ????<br /><br />Google tells me this is Kavod <br />http://www.kavodrecovery.com/<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-91704231504716437382010-06-28T16:25:58.595+03:002010-06-28T16:25:58.595+03:00Rabbi Amandla needs to be more careful.
Ah, the p...Rabbi Amandla needs to be more careful.<br /><br />Ah, the poetic justice...Sérgionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-5299466770658581092010-06-28T06:48:28.005+03:002010-06-28T06:48:28.005+03:00Who, exactly, is "the rest of the world?"...Who, exactly, is "the rest of the world?" A bunch of Islamist dictators and their inodctrinated masses, and the stupid Westerners who agree with them out of gullibility or fear? Everyone has an opinion on the Israel-Palestinian conflict, but you know something about "everyone?" The majority of "everyone" are actually uneducated and uninformed.<br /><br />I don't care that "everyone" thinks Israel is illegitimate. "Everyone" also thinks that "irregardless" is a word. But "irregardless" (and its abominable friend, "could care less") is still not a word, and Israel is still legitimate.<br /><br />Now I need to wash out my mouth because Rav Jutner's comments make me taste bile.Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099017972456573744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-62362299561553827532010-06-27T22:33:22.821+03:002010-06-27T22:33:22.821+03:00Rabbi, may I ask how this Amandla got into your co...Rabbi, may I ask how this Amandla got into your comment? You need to be careful no-one hijacks your false identity, you know.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-2499872543836867652010-06-27T22:31:41.553+03:002010-06-27T22:31:41.553+03:00Actually, Silke, the truth is even funnier. Someda...Actually, Silke, the truth is even funnier. Someday I'll tell the story, and then it will be clear why I don't do so now. In the meantime, poor Didi is trying to catch me in inaccuracies and other fibs. Since I'm human sooner or later he'll probably succeed, but he isn't having much luck yet. Still, I suppose I should be tickled that he tries.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-45224733778059071382010-06-27T19:56:23.738+03:002010-06-27T19:56:23.738+03:00This MA thesis is only partially correct. Not only...This MA thesis is only partially correct. Not only does israel (and the whole world) regard Hamas and Hezbollah as legitimate entities, israelis increasing see themselves (and the rest of the world agrees) that the apartheid zionist entity is illegitimate. Thus, it is an honor for the apartheid zionist entity to gain kavod from Hamas and Hezbollah because they actually get their hands dirty and negotiate with the zionists<br /><br />AmandlaRabbi Tony Jutnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-62734792110632200982010-06-27T18:48:48.386+03:002010-06-27T18:48:48.386+03:00Didi
how about this:
Yaacov went out to buy som fr...Didi<br />how about this:<br />Yaacov went out to buy som frozen food and wrapped it in a lie around newspaper, while carrying it home he couldn't help reading the piece, then checked for our benefit the online edition.<br />This btw is only one of innumerable possible scenarios which are familiar to novel readers all over the world.<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-9580661612048617142010-06-27T16:40:44.275+03:002010-06-27T16:40:44.275+03:00No Didi, that's not what I said. As often, you...No Didi, that's not what I said. As often, you don't read carefully.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-50780406017613087602010-06-27T16:21:44.183+03:002010-06-27T16:21:44.183+03:00If it's not online Yaacov, how did you come to...If it's not online Yaacov, how did you come to read it? Wasn't it just Friday that you told me that's the only way you read Hasretz?Didi Remezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04879682323692415419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-26022955140798737622010-06-27T13:11:25.757+03:002010-06-27T13:11:25.757+03:00in the "run-up" of his piece Uri Avnery&...in the "run-up" of his piece Uri Avnery's use of "they" struck me as odd<br />- for him there seems to be a clear division of a state that is "I/we" as compared to a state that is "they". Perfectly acceptable when I moan privately about let's say taxes, but when I moan about national security??? in the ol' times they had ugly words for such mind-sets.<br /><br />The Red Cross excuse is no excuse at all (and the "west" buys it rather than admit the extent of the humiliation we are subjected to - sucking up to thugs leaves one after all with the "nice" illusion of having saved face)<br />- <br />given Hamas' expertise in building tunnels they could have ways of getting Shalit to a meeting with the Red Cross, if they wanted to or if they were as ingenious as they claim to be. <br />So it is either one for them: prove that there is one just one field where you are at the top of technology and ingeniousness and creativity or admit that you are thugs. <br /><br />I managed to read about half of the Avnery-thing - too loghorrea-ic for me <br />(yes I know I'm one of those also, but I'm not a pro and don't aim at becoming one <br />- though I have hopes that Ibrahim is about to delude himself that I am an Israeli "official";-)<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-64080825355297858072010-06-27T11:35:50.821+03:002010-06-27T11:35:50.821+03:00There's an excellent chance the Stupid Jews wi...There's an excellent chance the Stupid Jews will get Shalit back in a body bag. Liquidate the most dangerous terrorists first and ship them back with the rest to Hamas in an exchange. That seems like a fair trade to me.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-19087984379692094922010-06-27T11:05:31.246+03:002010-06-27T11:05:31.246+03:00Did you see this from Uri Avnery?
http://www.maan...Did you see this from Uri Avnery?<br /><br />http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=294746<br /><br />Smelly, as usual, but interesting.Yitzchak Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13478596798458473250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-85224945006224720042010-06-27T10:54:12.919+03:002010-06-27T10:54:12.919+03:00While we did return all hostages bar Bloch as you ...While we did return all hostages bar Bloch as you mentioned, unfortunately 3 were returned in body bags (names courtesy of Wikipedia):<br /><br />The three passengers killed were:<br /><br />1. Jean-Jacques Maimoni<br />2. Pasco Cohen<br />3. Ida Borochovitch<br /> <br /><br />Shavoah TovAvramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296573781960136899noreply@blogger.com