tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post1692558893823023676..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: Three Ways to be Against IsraelYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-63342827517442904802013-01-17T05:26:35.411+02:002013-01-17T05:26:35.411+02:00Your type 2 should be the "reality denier&quo...Your type 2 should be the "reality denier" of which "The time denier" is a specific subtype. There are folks who believe before Zionism, it was paradise for Jews under Arab/Moslem rule. Or in 1947 the Jews attacked the Arabs to drive them out. Or there were hardly any Jews in Palestine before 1945. etc. <br /><br />NycerbarbStop BDS Park Slopehttp://stopbdsparkslope.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-44274043544073767332012-11-22T03:05:06.998+02:002012-11-22T03:05:06.998+02:00Has there ever been a conflict in history in which...Has there ever been a conflict in history in which people advocated bringing two hostile people together?<br /><br />NycerbarbStop BDS Park Slopehttp://stopbdsparkslope.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-79346822397133470372012-11-21T17:28:29.196+02:002012-11-21T17:28:29.196+02:00Yaacov-Glad to see you here again, I recall you an...Yaacov-Glad to see you here again, I recall you announced you were giving up blogging some time ago. I recall you were a KADIMA supporter (I don't know how you feel about the destruction of Gush Katif under current circumstances!) but your work on the importance of Israeli control of Jerusalem is outstanding and I have distributed widely.<br /><br />Regarding this piece: you really put your finger on it. The radical anti-Zionist Jewish Left (e.g. MJ Rosenberg, Rabbi Brant Rosen, Richard Silverstein) views the situation exactly as you state it....all Israel does is persecute Palestinians, all the time it is refining the way of persecution, all the concessions made by Israel and the withdrawals were insidious plots to increase persecution of the Palestinians.<br />Another odd thing they do, including those who consider themselves Zionists like Rosenberg and Silverstein (odd how someone who hates Israel and Jews so much can call themselves Zionists) is that, on the one hand, they keep calling for Israel to make peace with the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world, yet, at the same time, they accuse those who did make peace with Israel (Sadat, Mubarak) or who have negotiated with Israel as being traitors who are puppets of Israel and who are interested only in persecuting the Palestinians! A good example was the wikileaks about the Olmert-Abbas talks a few years ago....all of these people viewed Abbas as a "traitor" for making concessions to the Israel.<br />The conclusion I have come to is that these "Jewish Progressives" have come to completely identify psychologically with the Palestinians and they have completely adopted their world-view which centers on Israel being the enemy. A good example was how Silverstein went ballistic when a commentor mentioned the theory that Arafat died of AIDS. He said it was a vile Zionist lie, or something to that effect. What does it matter to him, anyway? But he has come to view the Palestinians as the essence of truth, justice and the right, so anyone who criticizes their beloved, legendary leader must be vile.<br />Very strange. <br />Y. Ben-Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-75199511219673386922012-11-20T22:21:06.707+02:002012-11-20T22:21:06.707+02:00The problem is the Islamists want to destroy Israe...The problem is the Islamists want to destroy Israel.<br /><br />They're not looking for a compromise settlement - coexistence or even peace. There are truly evil people in the world.<br /><br /><br />That's what makes it so hard for rational people to grasp - that some people actually want to kill you!<br /><br />The entire debate about Israel's actions in Gaza is disconnected from reality and has a surreal air about it.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13617524186967828711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-81795835865350862152012-11-20T19:07:15.511+02:002012-11-20T19:07:15.511+02:00Their problem is the inability to accept the degre...<i>Their problem is the inability to accept the degree to which people can be immoral</i><br />This can be a really hard thing to learn. For a Katholic? For a person having been teached that the conflicts in the world are as simple as sharing chocolate or sand-box toys?<br /><br /><i>But if you're right, Yaacov, then there's no hope, and I refuse to accept that there's no hope</i><br />(Man hat mehr Eigenmacht ohne Hoffnung. ) The feeling of power is greater without hope. "Whithout hope" - that is not hopeless, because hopeless is not the opposite of having hope.von Oskopia Kaleidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11685811410224238269noreply@blogger.com