tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post1948207041371784869..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: Honor Killings in IsraelYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-52192694940319326172007-12-03T22:34:00.000+02:002007-12-03T22:34:00.000+02:00Well, in Jordanian law you get only six months for...Well, in Jordanian law you get only six months for an honor killing, and the Jordanian Parliament (or whatever it is called) has repeatedly refused to change that. So it must be pretty well accepted in Jordan. And that's getting close, geographically, to y'all.Lydia McGrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00423567323116960820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-91638945317654102192007-12-03T22:17:00.000+02:002007-12-03T22:17:00.000+02:00No FGM that I've ever heard of either in Israel OR...No FGM that I've ever heard of either in Israel OR in the Palestinian areas. Tho I've been told it's done in Egypt, so it's not only the depths of Africa.<BR/><BR/>I honestly don't know anough to say how deeply rooted the honor-killing thing is in Arab OR Muslim culture or Sharia or whatever. I tend to think that in modern Arab societies it's actually not particularly common. In Israel and in the Palestinian areas controlled by Israel it's rare enough to get into the news when it happens, but common enough that you hear about too many cases. I also think it's limited to Muslim Arabs, and can't recollect ever having heard of the custum among Christian Arabs (of whom there are anyway ever fewer in the MidEast).<BR/><BR/>If I'm right on this, then all those Europeans you cited are even more idiotic then you think, or perhaps, they're twice idiots. Once for their willingness to sanction murder in the name of culture, and twice becasue the culture doesn't even say what they think it does, only the loudmouthed fanatics say it does. Sheesh!Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-39091375626057314312007-12-03T18:55:00.000+02:002007-12-03T18:55:00.000+02:00"I'm willing to assume that most Arabs regard them..."I'm willing to assume that most Arabs regard them with as much horror as the rest of us do."<BR/><BR/>Hmmm. Well, that is plausibly too charitable.<BR/><BR/>But hey--in _Italy_ the judiciary recently ruled that parents who tied their 19-year-old daughter to a chair and beat her severely could not be charged with the ordinary crimes they would otherwise be charged with under Italian law, because it was "part of their culture" and she was considered to have "dishonored" the family by having a boyfriend. In _Germany_ a judge refused a Moroccan woman an early divorce when she was afraid of beatings by her husband, because (said the judge) the Koran says you can beat your wife, so this was part of his "culture." In _Norway_, there is a prosecutor or former prosecutor who argues in interviews that "honor killings" by men of Muslim cultural background should receive lesser sentences, because their "culture" must be taken into account.<BR/><BR/>So at least Israel is holding the line on this one.<BR/><BR/>Query: Is FGM practiced among Palestinian and/or Israeli Arabs? Do Israeli authorities have to cope with preventing that in Israel? (They're having trouble with it in the UK and many other European countries, particularly among their Somali immigrant populations.)Lydia McGrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00423567323116960820noreply@blogger.com