tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post2302125972515864620..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: Israel at the End of 2011: Better than EverYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-63037815437013039972012-01-11T22:05:46.203+02:002012-01-11T22:05:46.203+02:00Hi,
Great simple framework for the analysis. Mayb...Hi,<br /><br />Great simple framework for the analysis. Maybe this could work as an alternative indicator for "Culture":<br /><br />http://www.jpost.com/LifeStyle/Article.aspx?id=253121<br /><br />//GeneClarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-54629800287944014382012-01-09T13:47:01.318+02:002012-01-09T13:47:01.318+02:00Great post (though I wish I could be more sanguine...Great post (though I wish I could be more sanguine about the insanity that has been erupting from within the Haredi community---including the latest horrors in Nachlao't. Do we need this? Do they? And how does the wider society deal with it all when ignoring it is no longer an option?). <br /><br />Great to hear from you. Thanks very much!Barry Meislinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04795125774426217113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-31602754682351303312012-01-05T22:39:24.718+02:002012-01-05T22:39:24.718+02:00The power of positive thinking.The power of positive thinking.miltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12179929136659788657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-50275631596691159902012-01-03T16:04:38.477+02:002012-01-03T16:04:38.477+02:00I can only hope that 2012 will be the year when th...I can only hope that 2012 will be the year when the Palestinians are awarded justice and an end to occupation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-7784761782429050322012-01-03T02:26:30.008+02:002012-01-03T02:26:30.008+02:00Thank you for this optimistic report. It is good ...Thank you for this optimistic report. It is good to hear from you.<br /><br />NycerbarbThe Stop BDS Teamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10494552759267397327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-11007114443101714392012-01-02T20:56:26.898+02:002012-01-02T20:56:26.898+02:00Thanks for the encouragement to "see things d...Thanks for the encouragement to "see things differently" from the usual media portrayal of Israel. Hurray for Israel, long may she prosper. Blessings to you from a tiny town in NZ.sparrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05813281777476012154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-4024321569823749002012-01-01T05:33:37.782+02:002012-01-01T05:33:37.782+02:00@dywthmy53 It's an interesting hypothesis, but...@dywthmy53 It's an interesting hypothesis, but not supported by any noticeable societal trends within haredi society. You're going to have a hard time finding religious leaders drawing support in the Torah for spitting on little girls.<br /><br />Some people just don't have limits. We have Jews like this in America too, but they're so few that shunning them is a manageable issue. In Israel, there are enough Jews that the crazies can get organized. Usually their neighbors and rabbis are their first victims.<br /><br />But these people would go to the extreme no matter what they did in life. They happen to be religious so they go to the extreme in faith. If they were secular they'd be the atheist hoodlums defacing synagogues. It's something that requires therapy, the urge to impose one's version of purity on others.<br /><br />It's the same within the settler movement. There are a handful of outcasts. Their neighbors keep the cops on speed-dial and are the first to admit these people should be locked up before they hurt someone.<br /><br />Far too often, from what I've heard, Israeli police don't interfere in what they see as internal feuds within "gated" Israeli communities - be they settler, haredi, Arab, etc. They don't want to deal with issues they don't understand and don't want to be a target themselves. So by the time these radicals lash out at the general population, they already feel invincible, having established a fiefdom of fear in their surroundings.<br /><br />What I don't understand is why a bunch of sane guys from within these communities don't get together and beat some sense into these lunatics. In general, I'm very pro extra-judicial beating as an alternative to jail time, with communal endorsement, of course.Avigdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05008730229882004376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-19251583503979529762011-12-31T19:56:11.972+02:002011-12-31T19:56:11.972+02:00And further to Joe in Australia, the two trends co...And further to Joe in Australia, the two trends could even be even more closely related. The fanatics are terrified that the mainstream Haredi society is integrating more closely into Israeli society. Their increased craziness is a direct result of the more pragmatic direction that much of Haredi society appears to be moving in. The more Haredim enter the work force, the more of this type of response we can expect to see.Ruchie Avitalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04381890026595943551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-83294195132665681552011-12-31T17:17:10.736+02:002011-12-31T17:17:10.736+02:00They're not necessarily contradictory directio...They're not necessarily contradictory directions: if you assume that the Haredim entering the general labor market are more liberal, then the ones that remain will be less liberal. <br /><br />Incidentally, the word verification query at the end of my post was <i>sinfiter</i>. Very appropriate!Joe in Australianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-35220154332885774292011-12-30T22:19:25.234+02:002011-12-30T22:19:25.234+02:00Thanks, Yaacov - an interesting comment which remi...Thanks, Yaacov - an interesting comment which reminds me of this piece by Barry Rubin:<br /><br />http://pjmedia.com/barryrubin/2011/12/28/new-theme-israel-is-collapsing-losing-its-democracy-evidence-none/<br /><br />Anyhow, do please keep posting now and then to make sure your invaluable blog doesn't get deleted!<br /><br />JG CampbellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com