tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post2816541001388494433..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: Legalites and NicetiesYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-57427248776028355622010-01-22T15:38:48.797+02:002010-01-22T15:38:48.797+02:00Danny -
Thanks for the clarification.
The Hebrew...Danny -<br /><br />Thanks for the clarification.<br /><br />The Hebrew term is "hafka'ah". So far as I know, hafka'ah is expropriation,using your distinction. Lands taken by the state for whatever public policy or public use.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-22345777548373745122010-01-22T14:00:30.625+02:002010-01-22T14:00:30.625+02:00If the government pays you for your land, the prop...If the government pays you for your land, the proper term is "expropriated" not "confiscated". Were the lands expropriated or confiscated?Dannynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-52906700854480764872010-01-21T19:59:29.679+02:002010-01-21T19:59:29.679+02:00As a side comment: yesterday I watched "hardt...As a side comment: yesterday I watched "hardtalk" on BBC, which interviewed Amir Moussa, a master of tegiversation. <br /><br />What I found interesting is that as there is no more occupation in Gaza, he now excoriates the cruel Israeli "siege". Pathetic, as usual.<br /><br />Sergiosergionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-86646045028850141252010-01-21T18:23:34.662+02:002010-01-21T18:23:34.662+02:00Please can someone explain how the system works be...Please can someone explain how the system works because this question of repossession interests me a great deal, especially as it affects Jews from Arab countries. I know of Iraqi Jews who were stripped of their nationality who were told by Iraqi diplomats in London that they were entitled to reclaim their property. In the Cecil Hotel case an Egyptian court ruled that the Metzger family from Egypt could recover the hotel - although the family were British nationals.<br />BTW, Yaacov, you have a great blog! (got here through Normblog)<br />Bataween<br />www.jewishrefugees.blogspot.combataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-43020238897881783882010-01-20T21:43:37.941+02:002010-01-20T21:43:37.941+02:00Zionist juice
no objections I agree that's wha...Zionist juice<br />no objections I agree that's what I meant to say - but in what I had to work with over the decades the history of what you call a situation was quite often not irrelevant i.e. all the stages that something went through or said differently all the rights that were acquired, waived and lost on the way to the present could make a difference.<br /><br />As to your friends:<br />I once met a woman whose father was forced to move west twice once after WW1 (Thorn) and once after WW2 and I would guess that a Jew before 1933 had a totally different citizenship status as a Jew after 1933. Which viewpoints the Poles then introduce into the matter is quite another matter again and one can't even begin to start guessing.<br />In the 70s it was part of my job to get residence and work permits for employees for GErman-American company and found during my visits to the authorities to my never ending furor that the law pertaining to immigration is subject to the sovereign rights of the state and may be handled quite arbitrarily unless the state the immigrant comes from has a good contract with in this case Germany like for example at the time the US had but the Brits had not. <br />That's why and for a lot of other reasons I cannot stop to wonder why Israel always seems to show little assertiveness as to its sovereign rights. <br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-45505400123182952082010-01-20T20:43:44.219+02:002010-01-20T20:43:44.219+02:00well, the poland issue is - when it comes to legal...well, the poland issue is - when it comes to legal issues - quite similar.<br />germans who lived on territory which is today polish cannot get anything back.<br /><br />i have a friend from a german jewish family from eastern prussia, near koenigsberg, today poland.<br />they cannot get their house back.<br />the family left in the 30s. some to israel, some to the US. and they cannot get their house back; for the polish authorities they count as germans.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />and silke, no, that is not what legal equality is about. it is not about cases who have the same history, which is hard to find. <br />legal equality means, that you cannot treat one person different which is in basically the same situation like another person and you can also not treat a person in the same way although she is in different situation.<br />hence citizens have more rights (or rather different rights) ...<br />but it is very important to stress something: the right of equality has boarders.<br />f.exp. in german constitutional law it is enough if you have a "sachlichen Grund" (a factual reason ?) for the unequal treatment.zionist juicehttp://zionistjuice.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-68223088899364343002010-01-20T20:02:04.857+02:002010-01-20T20:02:04.857+02:00WOW, judges in Israel certainly work in interestin...WOW, judges in Israel certainly work in interesting times <br />- all these different entitlements and non-entitlements seem to promise a veritable delicatessen for minds who like that kind of stuff<br /><br />- as you mention Poland - after 1989 there was a group of exiled (Vertriebene) from Poland who wanted to get something back or money for it. The Poles didn't like it and I think it would have also endangered the recognition of the Oder-Neisse-Line and to the best of my memory their claims never went to court. Therefore my best guess is that the German government managed to quiet them down and thus secure another piece of peace after WW2.<br /><br />BTW I think that equality before the law applies only to claims that have the same history. If the history is different, equality will have to be different. If it were not so equality of persons would be violated.<br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-73013743862524382412010-01-20T19:03:22.539+02:002010-01-20T19:03:22.539+02:00I'm struggling to see the point you're mak...I'm struggling to see the point you're making. I understand the applications of different laws but I don't think you've explained clearly how this relates to repossesion of old-land etc.Folderolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00674335938397735100noreply@blogger.com