tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post5563154072143358557..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: More on SettlementsYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-46021534718533471752009-06-04T16:47:50.068+03:002009-06-04T16:47:50.068+03:00Sorry, Yaacov, I again disagree with you.
The ONL...Sorry, Yaacov, I again disagree with you.<br /><br />The ONLY entity to which the Israeli government should be responsible is the Israeli electorate - not the Americans, nor the Europeans, nor diaspora Jews.<br /><br />There are several reasons supporting this:<br /><br />1. Democracy. It is outrageous for Americans, Euros, or diapsora Jews to attempt to over-ride Israeli democracy.<br /><br />2. Risk. It is Israelis, not Americans or Euros or diapsora Jews, who assume the risks, serve in Tsahal, and stand in the line of fire.<br /><br />3. Knowledge. Americans, Euros, & diaspora Jews are quite simply ignorant concerning Israel's situation.<br /><br />Decisions concerning Israel's future should be made in Israel only, by Israelis only. Period.Philo-Semitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-46730917679587145602009-06-04T16:37:50.927+03:002009-06-04T16:37:50.927+03:00I agree more with Barry Rubin's take that the ...I agree more with Barry Rubin's take that the settlement question has been left for final status negotiations with good reason. <br /><br />When Olmert was elected we did not have the full picture of the fall-out from Gaza. This changes the attitude of the Israeli population somewhat:<br /><br />http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=43795<br /><br />Should Israel say "no" now to the US of Obama and not make any concessions<br />to the Palestinians until conditions of peace and security (on the ground)<br />are<br />reached?<br />Yes 54% No 33% No opinion 13%.<br /><br />In return for a peace agreement with the Palestinians that will be good for<br />Israel would you support transferring a large portion of the territories in<br />Judea and Samaria to the Palestinians?<br />No 50% Yes 43% No opinion 7%Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02968715589762706167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-73992039386118474502009-06-04T08:55:47.805+03:002009-06-04T08:55:47.805+03:00I generally agree with Yaakov on this one.
ZivI generally agree with Yaakov on this one.<br /><br />ZivAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-60601905519709482822009-06-03T18:18:02.042+03:002009-06-03T18:18:02.042+03:00Well, I have to support Yaacov here, and he is rig...Well, I have to support Yaacov here, and he is right to claim that his positions do have a lot of support in the general Israeli public: after all, just 3 years back, when Kadima won the elections only a few months after the party was formed, its agenda was to do essentially what had been done in Gaza in the Westbank east of the security fence. While the experience after the Gaza disengagement and the 2006 Lebanon war made a Westbank "convergence" (as it was called) unrealistic, the realization that the Westbank and the settlements have become a millstone around our neck is as valid today as it was back then. <br />There are too many reasons to list here why the settlements are a problem irrespective of what Obama says, but one important reason is that continued settlement growth beyond the big settlement blocks does help those who hope for a "one-state solution".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-31702298285805725642009-06-03T16:29:59.941+03:002009-06-03T16:29:59.941+03:00"Everyone knows"
Everyone?
Who is eve..."Everyone knows"<br /><br />Everyone? <br /><br />Who is everyone? <br /><br />With one exception (Ariel Sharon before levaing Gaza was on the map) I have never read anything from any high ranking military. Shouldn't their views be included in "everyone"? <br />Or is "everyone" just everyone who has a grievance about the behaviour of some settlers and sees getting rid of the whole problem as the easiest way to deal with the probably quite untractable problem the "nutty ones" present?<br /><br />ever since the last Lebanon war I have been listening carefully to military historians- a highly recommendable exercise due to the quite often quite different way of seeing and describing events<br /><br />rgds,<br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-22811035513245907432009-06-03T16:29:53.432+03:002009-06-03T16:29:53.432+03:00"Everyone knows"
Everyone?
Who is eve..."Everyone knows"<br /><br />Everyone? <br /><br />Who is everyone? <br /><br />With one exception (Ariel Sharon before levaing Gaza was on the map) I have never read anything from any high ranking military. Shouldn't their views be included in "everyone"? <br />Or is "everyone" just everyone who has a grievance about the behaviour of some settlers and sees getting rid of the whole problem as the easiest way to deal with the probably quite untractable problem the "nutty ones" present?<br /><br />ever since the last Lebanon war I have been listening carefully to military historians- a highly recommendable exercise due to the quite often quite different way of seeing and describing events<br /><br />rgds,<br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-20473175157608044842009-06-03T11:01:15.592+03:002009-06-03T11:01:15.592+03:00http://www.dayan.org/asher_IsAr.pdf
this article ...http://www.dayan.org/asher_IsAr.pdf<br /><br />this article is not exactly dealing with the settlements, but with the bigger picture.zionist juicehttp://zionistjuice.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com