tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post8263745197779410686..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: "A Threat to Democracy"Yaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-39185836589983546712010-04-12T22:51:03.670+03:002010-04-12T22:51:03.670+03:00thanks Sergio
so I was right, when I didn't ca...thanks Sergio<br />so I was right, when I didn't care much for Part 1 and found him interesting only in Part 2 where he talks a lot about foreign policy and its possibilities.<br />I found it only recently and listened 2 days ago.<br />BTW I don't care for all this animal talk either - it seems way too often like a kind of posturing to me - i.e. doesn't synch with what my cats taught me ;-)<br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-36220379001455567942010-04-12T22:36:19.104+03:002010-04-12T22:36:19.104+03:00Silke,
Thank you for the kind reminder and link.
...Silke,<br /><br />Thank you for the kind reminder and link.<br />I read Gray's "Straw dogs" and, frankly, I didn't like it much. At least he recognizes that science progresses; but his other ideas, like his "great" discovery that we are animals too... oh my. And lots of additional sloppy thinking. I do not recommend.<br /><br />Best wishes,<br />sergio<br /><br />ISergionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-84896342291095573132010-04-12T22:06:04.570+03:002010-04-12T22:06:04.570+03:00Sylvia
amazing ... I lived for some 20 years way o...Sylvia<br />amazing ... I lived for some 20 years way out in the mountainous middle of Germany and there were quite a number of Albert-s from the war and pre-war times - as they chose to remember Jews only as livestock-traders I can't imagine that they would have liked to find out their names derived from Abraham ...<br />how could they ever come up with the plan to label any member of such a webbed society.<br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-84324090111839879442010-04-12T22:00:02.236+03:002010-04-12T22:00:02.236+03:00Sergio,
since you are online - maybe you'll en...Sergio,<br />since you are online - maybe you'll enjoy this made me think of you - if you're not a listener there seems to be a transcript also <br />http://www.abc.net.au/rn/philosopherszone/stories/2008/2284016.htm<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-58476479212009229802010-04-12T17:45:24.926+03:002010-04-12T17:45:24.926+03:00On the other hand, Silke, these people who call hi...On the other hand, Silke, these people who call him Alberto could very well be Jews who are aware of those name equivalencies and who just wanted to embarrass him. I imagine he must have made a lot of people mad on the Internet. <br />But in any case, Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf is definitely not a real name, whether he is "Arab" or not.Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-80246937718527613362010-04-12T17:27:53.940+03:002010-04-12T17:27:53.940+03:00So, Ibrahim Al Bertoh , our Cat Stevens of the Pam...So, Ibrahim Al Bertoh , our Cat Stevens of the Pampas, is back with his famous lectures on everything legal agaist Israel...Now he's a tenured expert on angels, gobblins and the like.<br />Talking about intellectual dwarfs...<br /><br />SergioSergionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-74370141040457399422010-04-12T17:24:02.517+03:002010-04-12T17:24:02.517+03:00It's not that important, but yes, Alberto, Alb...It's not that important, but yes, Alberto, Albert (French pronunciation) is a name widespread among Jews from the Middle East and North Africa and some French speaking countries. It is the equivalent of Abraham, which in Arabic is Ibrahim. Being from an Arab country myself, I also have two names, a "neutral/western" official name (Sylvia)and a Jewish name (unofficial/unregistered). The Hebrew/Jewish name is used for synagogue purposes. So following that Jewish model, if he wants to be Arab (whatever it means these days) or if he has converted to Islam, Ibrahim would be the Arabic Muslim equivalent of Alberto(Ibrahim as a first name is strictly Muslim, though it can be Middle Eastern Christian as a family name). However, I am not aware of these onomastic patterns among Muslims.Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-13958085682135633482010-04-12T15:20:56.481+03:002010-04-12T15:20:56.481+03:00Sylvia
commenters on Ibrahim's blog insist on ...Sylvia<br />commenters on Ibrahim's blog insist on calling him Alberto - is that a name by which pride in Jewish ancestry is shown? I wouldn't know<br />in my book Ibrahim can't be Jewish because I have been told all my life that Jews love to learn and Ibrahim definitely does not - therefore he can't be a Jew<br />Even worse Ibrahim insists that he knows everything already and so does not need to want to know what he doesn't know <br />as to his last name: <br />try to convince him that you are an enticing female, maybe he offers you a one on one as he did with me. If you then have the stomach to go ahead with it maybe he tells you his last name.<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-63878202866073969962010-04-12T15:08:47.571+03:002010-04-12T15:08:47.571+03:00Sylvia -
They probably did, but I don't remem...Sylvia -<br /><br />They probably did, but I don't remember. You can ask Fake Ibrahim himself; maybe he'll tell you.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-14717099591326335992010-04-12T14:21:48.700+03:002010-04-12T14:21:48.700+03:00Yaacov
Did they tell you the family name?Yaacov<br />Did they tell you the family name?Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-46603617529766037472010-04-12T13:58:16.489+03:002010-04-12T13:58:16.489+03:00Sylvia,
A number of people from his home town of ...Sylvia,<br /><br />A number of people from his home town of Rassario have assured me Fake Ibrahim has a Jewish grandfather, but I'm not in the position to prove this. What's clear is that he isn't Arab, except perhaps as a fantasy.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-79531045757428659952010-04-12T13:53:37.674+03:002010-04-12T13:53:37.674+03:00My feeling is that Ibrahim is one of those self-pr...My feeling is that Ibrahim is one of those self-proclaimed "Arab Jews". Does anyone else get that impression?Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-89458126333714046382010-04-12T13:07:48.333+03:002010-04-12T13:07:48.333+03:00all of you who take on Ibrahim should not miss out...all of you who take on Ibrahim should not miss out on his latest post <br /><br />- now finally finally he has found an angle that will silence all of you and paralyze with admiration for him - he should try his hand at comedy, properly trained he may come up with something ...<br /><br />on the other hand he has to up the ante - ever since Yaacov told him to "get a life" his commenters seem to have lost interest - which makes me wonder why? He still has traffic according to the widget on his site but doesn't seem to inspire his buddies with Logorrhöe any longer <br />is "not feeding the beast" after all the best strategy to get them out of business or is there another level where they now huddle together?<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-48775939023733616312010-04-12T09:10:42.898+03:002010-04-12T09:10:42.898+03:00...angelize Israel....
Cute!
(Presumably, then, ...<i>...angelize Israel....</i><br /><br />Cute!<br /><br />(Presumably, then, anything that can't be used to demonize the country, is either false or propaganda?...Or naive?...)<br /><br />But it seems that the demonizers do have the upper hand. <br /><br />For which, congratulations!<br /><br />(But to what end?....)Barry Meislinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04795125774426217113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-30691478598459322892010-04-12T08:39:10.752+03:002010-04-12T08:39:10.752+03:00Ibrahim
1. I understand you're something of a ...Ibrahim<br />1. I understand you're something of a legal expert. How can you rely on Yossi Melman? Yossi Melman works for Haaretz, a defendant in this case, and we know that almost all their journalists have been mobilized for a major major assault on public opinion. All you have to do to realize that was read Haaretz this week-end. <br />This is the same Yossi Melman who immediately attributed the Dubai assassination to the Mossad based on the mere fact that the MKs were smiling that day (!). This is the same Haaretz that knowingly falsified poll results regarding Obama's ratings in Israel. <br /><br />2. The IDF will have to explain it and it will. In this early morning news, Ashkenazi is reported to have said that those documents were part of a whole and their interpretation is misleading. Why not control you urge to demonize Israel until we get all the details?Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-45122575577906860032010-04-12T08:04:17.095+03:002010-04-12T08:04:17.095+03:00Silke
""leaks are no less important than...Silke<br />""leaks are no less important than secrecy"" <br />and its variant<br /> "a threat to the democracy". Human morning Rights lawyer Michael Sfard had to come back to a radio talk show yesterday, to say just that in case someone missed the slogan.<br /><br />I also like the way Kamm's father put it:<br />"So she took a few papers without permission"Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-34323928773784689202010-04-12T07:46:21.774+03:002010-04-12T07:46:21.774+03:00"Don't forget, Israeli journalists are al..."Don't forget, Israeli journalists are all subject to the Military Censor"<br /><br />Joking, right? The Military Censor today is nothing but an automatic stamp. It has no teeth. I'm not sure they even read the material before them. That has become clear to all during the second Lebanon war, when the TV Channel 2 reporter standing right at the border, was telling to the world the itinerary the soldiers were going to take. <br /><br />Anyone invoking the Military Censor either works for Haaretz or hasn't lived in Israel for a long time.Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-19087921372496653352010-04-12T07:24:35.145+03:002010-04-12T07:24:35.145+03:00Kamm and Blau should be prosecuted for espionage a...Kamm and Blau should be prosecuted for espionage and given long sentences.<br /><br />Haaretz and the Guardian should be prosecuted for aiding and abetting Kamm and Blau, and shut down in Israel, with their decision-makers in Israel put in the cells next to Kamm and Blau.Pro-Zionistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-705342073914806272010-04-12T06:38:21.152+03:002010-04-12T06:38:21.152+03:00You should try improving your reading comprehensio...You should try improving your reading comprehension Ibrahim. The court ruling had a condition attached to it; that it had to be possible to arrest the militants. For the IDF to have breached the court order it had to be proven that it was (reasonably) possible to arrest the militants. No such proof was offered, ergo there is no proof that the court order was breached.<br /><br />There is only assumption that the IDF flaunted the court order. Without knowing the wider context, ie the risk assessment of attempting to making an arrest, one cannot claim that the court order was breached.<br /><br />You accuse Yaacov of angelizing Israel when he is merely addressing the facts as they have been revealed. It is you who is making accusations based on insufficient evidence. <br /><br />GavinGavinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-39267869871803741672010-04-12T01:57:25.590+03:002010-04-12T01:57:25.590+03:00the documents Kamm stole seem to prove the opposit...<i>the documents Kamm stole seem to prove the opposite of what Uri Blau said they proved</i><br /><br />No, they don't. Melman at <a href="http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/30174/the-source/" rel="nofollow">Tablet</a>:<br /><br />"Blau revealed that in March and April 2007, while Kamm was working at the office of the IDF’s head of Central Command, the army’s highest ranking officers knowingly planned to violate a 2006 Supreme Court ruling that forbade the assassination of Palestinian militants when their arrest was possible. <b>In April 2007, the IDF’s Central Command received permission to assassinate an Islamic Jihad leader named Ziad Malaisha. The assassination, Kamm’s documents reveal, was planned and approved in meetings with the head of the IDF’s Operations Directorate, Brig. Gen. Sami Turjeman, and the IDF’s Chief of Staff, Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi.</b><br /><br />Summaries of the meetings reveal that the officers were aware of the Supreme Court ruling they would soon violate. The assassination, which was postponed because of the April 2007 visit of U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, took place in June 2007, the month Kamm left the army."<br /><br />What I'll never understand is Yaakov's urge to angelize Israel. What's wrong with admitting there are bad apples?<br /><br /><i>Over the weekend I spoke to a number of attorneys, including attorneys trained outside Israel. All were emphatic that journalists are not allowed to break the law.</i><br /><br />The problema here is that the law is applied in a way reminiscent of the most totalitarian dictatorships. The procedure is well known:<br /><br />1) Enact Draconian laws no one can abide by.<br />2) Tolerate the breaking of the law in most cases, thus helping conceal the fact that they're Draconian.<br />3) Selectively enforce the law against people or organizations you don't like.<br /><br />If the law Blau broke were enforced in all cases, all Israeli military correspondents would be in jail.Ibrahim Ibn Yusufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09839484683464457225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-55640528629508497972010-04-11T19:24:48.670+03:002010-04-11T19:24:48.670+03:00Bravo Sylvia
the way I read it the white-washing p...Bravo Sylvia<br />the way I read it the white-washing procedure of Kam is underway exactly as predicted by you <br /><br />"leaks are no less important than secrecy" <br /><br />seems to be the mantra of the day - to me that reads like a meaningless generalisation but it sounds nice and enlightened and cool and laid-back, in short very much in the know on how states are to be run these days ... no need to spell the whole BS<br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-34538701595930126062010-04-11T19:14:03.987+03:002010-04-11T19:14:03.987+03:00"And what safer way is there to transmit info..."And what safer way is there to transmit information to an enemy than through an Israeli journalist from a widely read online newspaper?"<br /><br />Oh come on; do you really think Kamm *intended* to pass on information to an "enemy"? Don't forget, Israeli journalists are all subject to the Military Censor, who has the power to block truly dangerous revelations. Kamm, her people have argued, gave the information to an Israeli journalist (and not to family members, for example, who work for international media), precisely to make sure that she would *not* damage security. I agree that we don't have all the facts yet, but from what we do know it seems abundantly clear that she acted, perhaps stupidly, perhaps naively, in order to bring the documents to the attention of the Israeli public - and not to aid enemies of Israel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-74131569666532143712010-04-11T19:03:19.278+03:002010-04-11T19:03:19.278+03:00Alex
There is a difference between "high trea...Alex<br />There is a difference between "high treason" and "aggravated espionage". <br /><br />This might surprise you, but those days when a spy left secret documents in a hollow tree in a secluded area of the public park for someone else to pick up are long gone. Today, these kind of things are done over the Internet. And what safer way is there to transmit information to an enemy than through an Israeli journalist from a widely read online newspaper? Anyone can then pick up the information, ni vu ni connu. The means and the alibi all in one.One click and you're done.<br /><br />The United States counterespionnage agency recognized that more than a decade ago when they arrested a scientist of Chinese descent who had done just that, pass classified information over the Internet.<br />And why go very far, just recently Leibowitz the son, who went to work for an American government agency as a translator, was arrested for leaking the contents of a document to a blogger.<br /><br />Yet, I wouldn't call for too harsh a punishment as long as the label "aggravated espionage" remains.<br />The ones who are really enraged are her "hevre" those soldiers who were with her at boot camp.Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-75183240389818548642010-04-11T18:13:07.851+03:002010-04-11T18:13:07.851+03:00AKUS - if you want to say something personal, I su...AKUS - if you want to say something personal, I suggest you email me at alex.stein@talk21.com. I'm also happy to meet in person. Do you live in Israel?<br /><br />Sylvia - I have never suggested that Anat Kamm doesn't deserve punishment; merely that high treason is probably an exaggeration.Alex Steinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07051471861165324475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-88681507927842105572010-04-11T18:05:21.119+03:002010-04-11T18:05:21.119+03:00Silke,
"Slander of the prosecutors"? I...Silke,<br /><br />"Slander of the prosecutors"? In what sense? As I said, if Kamm really took 2000 sensitive documents, then it is indeed likely she deserves some punishment; but regardless of the number of documents, "aggravated espionage" is an ridiculously disproportionate offense. For one thing, it requires that the individual act with the *purpose* of damaging state security, and the very fact that Kamm gave the documents to an Israeli journalist (who is subject to the military censor) proves that she had no such intention. She may have been stupid, but she certainly didn't intend to damage national security. Using disproportionate legal tools to combat such phenomena is dangerous, both because it is unfair, and because it may make people over fearful to leak sensitive information in those cases where it is justified. Leaks are important in a democracy, and are no less important than secrecy in protecting national security.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com