tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post8780922840355691163..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: Heliborne?Yaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-11601908403361780562009-10-20T17:39:45.992+02:002009-10-20T17:39:45.992+02:00I'm not sure if you've noticed it or not Y...I'm not sure if you've noticed it or not Yaacov, but the cornerstone of most of the accusations against Israel is the 4th Geneva Convention. I notice Goldstone joins the yapping about collective punishment, which is forbidden only by the 4GC and not by any other international convention that I've been able to find. <br /><br />Interestingly the party who has obligations under the 4GC is an occupying power. If Israel isn't (legally) occupying Gaza then it can't be committing collective punishment, genocide, ethic cleansing, withholding aid & medicine, and many other offences that Israel regularly gets blamed for. That because (to my knowledge) all those accusations stem solely from the 4GC, thus only an occupier can commit those (war) crimes. Many of Goldstones accusations were from the 4GC. <br /><br />Most of the case against Israel that all the 'human rights' organisations have carefully constructed would crumble to dust if Gaza was declared by the UN as being non-occupied. I've often wondered why Israel (and the US) hasn't pursued that angle more vigorously. <br /><br />I think you'd be intrigued at the circular logic used by Israel's enemies when arguing the occupation definition. They do not like being confronted on that issue, they know it is the weakest link in their case against Israel.<br /><br />Regards, Gavin.Gavinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-32794006424411148312009-10-20T11:19:39.608+02:002009-10-20T11:19:39.608+02:00Ibrahim -
I was focusing on the type of testimony...Ibrahim -<br /><br />I was focusing on the type of testimony the investigaotrs were willing to accept and parrot.<br /><br />As for your larger comment: don't worry. I'm slowly reading the entire report, along with other things I have to do in life, and eventually I'll write about what I've seen. But since I'm still only somewhere in the middle, I'm not doing that yet. Posts such as this are meant merely to point at cases of idiocy so great that they're worthy of citation irrespective of the general context.<br /><br />I will give you a foretaste, however: were I still teaching, as I did many years ago, I would have flunked any student whose methodology resembled that of the investigators, irrespective of the content. It is extraordinarily embarassing, the way they worked.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-35082904231411684922009-10-20T04:17:25.396+02:002009-10-20T04:17:25.396+02:00How the troops arrived to the scene is absolutely ...How the troops arrived to the scene is absolutely irrelevant to the war crime being described. You're using the Holocaust denial technique of making an enormous deal of an entirely peripheral detail, while not responding to the actual accusation that a toddler was wounded by troops outside of a combat situation and denied medical treatment.<br /><br />See my response <a href="http://thehasbarabuster.blogspot.com/2009/10/zionist-blogosphere-is-example-of-mps.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Ibrahim Ibn Yusufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09839484683464457225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-32797483674848582862009-10-19T06:09:03.013+02:002009-10-19T06:09:03.013+02:00I remember reading similar accounts from Soviet Sp...I remember reading similar accounts from Soviet Spetsnaz - 50 meter parachute descents - but we're talking special forces jumping out of a ultra-low flying aircraft attempting to evade radar. There is simply no need for this kind of drama in Gaza.<br /><br />Anything could have happened. Perhaps the parachutes came from supply drops to deployed forces, or literature drops to the population, battlefield flares, airborne sensors, etc. A warzone is a messy place.<br /><br />No one parachutes on a civilian area - that's suicide - and especially not an army that has complete spectrum dominance and can just push its way into any corner of the battlefield it wants.<br /><br />The helidrop theory is much more plausible, given the need to take strategic heights in an urban setting to establish sniper fire zones.<br /><br />We're missing the forest for the trees. The point is that all this testimony is hearsay. It has not been vetted, cross referenced with the battleplan, or even cross examined with several witnesses. That's what this entire report is, conjecture and hearsay.<br /><br />Stay on focus, Yaacov, even if the report isn't.Avigdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05008730229882004376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-70819990776490147342009-10-19T05:52:18.813+02:002009-10-19T05:52:18.813+02:00To Anonymous,
If the fictional parachutes were by...To Anonymous,<br /><br />If the fictional parachutes were by a roadside, then helicopters could have landed or hovered there. Gaza is mostly flat, not the Alps.Shalom, Cherry Hillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-23233910841351121982009-10-19T04:14:10.173+02:002009-10-19T04:14:10.173+02:00I had a friend who served in the US green berets w...I had a friend who served in the US green berets who told me that during training they used to jump with small parachutes from the heights of around 10 meters. Ussually such jumps are necessary for cases where the surface doesn't allow the helicopter to land or where rapid dislodge is needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-59528358863217343622009-10-19T00:57:10.416+02:002009-10-19T00:57:10.416+02:00I'm pretty sure that the Jews first called in ...I'm pretty sure that the Jews first called in an airstrike on Hamas Flying Carpet Regiment.Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.com