tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post2950671119662977959..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: Time to Demand RetractionsYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-75262702763660591432010-09-07T16:52:54.806+03:002010-09-07T16:52:54.806+03:00Victor I've sent messages or left comments at ...Victor I've sent messages or left comments at various purveyors of the original story. (David Rothkoph, The Forward/Allsion Kaplan Sommer, The Atlanticist and the NYT.)<br /><br />If I haven't received any responses, I'll hopefully check the sources tonight.<br /><br />David Bernstein at Volokh, have written updates.<br />http://www.memeorandum.com/100907/p10#a100907p10<br /><br />At Volokh, the discussion at the time was whether "deception" was grounds for a prosecution. The conclusion of the post was, yes, it was grounds - even in the U.S.Soccer Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16142724823098073038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-4222560508195812032010-09-07T16:27:31.688+03:002010-09-07T16:27:31.688+03:00thanks Sylvia
lets hope that is good news and some...thanks Sylvia<br />lets hope that is good news and something'll come of it<br /><br />somewhere I read that the Wikileaks that provided good service to people like Nick Cohen by protecting his sources has kind of shut down at the end of last year and been replaced by the current megalomaniac seeming version which is getting its money from whom?<br /><br />a couple of days ago I read that Assange's Icelandic supporters wanted investigation of the charges of improper behaviour against him<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-58459565235909339372010-09-07T15:48:43.663+03:002010-09-07T15:48:43.663+03:00OT - Freedom of speech issues:
The French newspap...OT - Freedom of speech issues:<br /><br />The French newspaper on line Lemonde.fr just broke the story that Swedish police has performed a search on the site of the service provider for Wikileaks, PRO.Sylvianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-7203455023525572242010-09-07T07:56:52.791+03:002010-09-07T07:56:52.791+03:00What? And have them forego their absolutely most f...What? And have them forego their absolutely most favoritist sport?<br /><br />Not terribly likely....<br /><br />(You seem to be under the impression that the truth matters to these people.)Barry Meislinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04795125774426217113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-40907927757414097602010-09-07T04:24:29.441+03:002010-09-07T04:24:29.441+03:00Never mind what they will or won't do today. G...Never mind what they will or won't do today. Get them on the record and send the response to Yaacov for publication. They might be more "flexible" tomorrow.Avigdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05008730229882004376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-69273133926019521652010-09-07T04:17:42.929+03:002010-09-07T04:17:42.929+03:00The New York Times has a new "public editor.&...The New York Times has a new "public editor." I will send him an e-mail and ask him if he will get <a href="http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/man-will-appeal-prison-term-for-lying-during-seduction-in-jerusalem/" rel="nofollow">Robert Mackey</a> to retract.<br /><br />My guess is that no retraction will be forthcoming.Soccer Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16142724823098073038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-32869530386929871162010-09-07T03:53:59.942+03:002010-09-07T03:53:59.942+03:00Several commentators on my blog and others have tr...Several commentators on my blog and others have tried to make an issue out of different ways to read into the facts of the case. Indeed, that's really what Lisa Goldman's post is all about.<br /><br />That's all fine and good, but irrelevant. Whatever the "true" story may be, whatever trauma this poor woman experience, whatever crimes the Arab Israeli committed, what made it international news were not the particulars, but the purely invented racial aspect of the case.<br /><br />Without that, it would have been just another unfortunate, messy case of "he said - she said" rape that every criminal system in the world must tackle. How many women were raped on the same day, in ways more and less brutal, all around the world? Why did THIS story break international headlines when none other did? What does that say about the state of the news media, in Israel and abroad, in the way they have conditioned themselves to accept the most vile insinuations about Israel and Israeli Jews without the minimum critical thought demanded by journalistic standards?<br /><br />The illegitimate attacks on Israeli Jews as ethno-religious racists, protected in their bigotry by their unjust court system, are intolerable and must be confronted, beyond the exact particulars of this case.<br /><br />...and then I decided to expand these points into <a href="http://victorshikhman.blogspot.com/2010/09/staying-focused-israeli-rape-by.html" rel="nofollow">their own post</a>.Avigdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05008730229882004376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-30246503766079039842010-09-07T03:16:18.846+03:002010-09-07T03:16:18.846+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Avigdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05008730229882004376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-38333612006562974972010-09-07T03:04:32.379+03:002010-09-07T03:04:32.379+03:00This story is so strange. I thought something was...This story is so strange. I thought something was strange when I first read about it several weeks ago.<br /><br />She was also beat up, but not a good rape witness, so why not prosecute the assault? Surely, assault is a crime even if it occurs during consensual sex. Is not the deception of being married more important - and believable - than the deception of being non-Jewish? Something is very strange in this story.<br /><br />NycerbarbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-30111375772172848912010-09-06T20:32:12.181+03:002010-09-06T20:32:12.181+03:00Yaakov
I forgot to point out it is Shikhman not Sh...Yaakov<br />I forgot to point out it is Shikhman not Shinkman<br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-77337988642735540922010-09-06T20:30:24.182+03:002010-09-06T20:30:24.182+03:00what a pity Alex doesn't find us worthy of his...what a pity Alex doesn't find us worthy of his insights any longer<br /><br />it's a pity, because I had acquired a soft spot for him, because he so willingly got the finances of his outfit made public, but maybe that was a singular lapse into courage.<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-13225973449012338872010-09-06T20:25:46.517+03:002010-09-06T20:25:46.517+03:00Actually from the little I noticed from the story ...Actually from the little I noticed from the story (I read Victor later in print) I liked the original version, hoping that there might exist some honesty laws in Israel contrarian to all the caveat emptor of these days.<br /><br />In the ol' days in Germany a man who had gotten a woman into in intimate relationship by promising marriage could be dragged into court and I assumed that Israel had something of that left. Dumb as I am I couldn't see the racial aspect of it as dominating but rather the deceit. (I think women who had gotten men to make them gifts by promising marriage were subject to the same legal threat.)<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-22204888358607671842010-09-06T19:34:11.778+03:002010-09-06T19:34:11.778+03:00I don't understand why anyone takes Haaretz se...I don't understand why anyone takes Haaretz seriously. It has three so called journalists that so regularly get caught lying it is amazing people are not ashamed to quote it...<br /><br />Anyone here care to guess where the solitary source for those 3 million cluster bombs in South Lebanon came from? Hint Meron Rappaport.<br /><br />DannyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com