tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post3637942079266803771..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: Tikkun OlamYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-70139373825056326002009-10-21T15:11:29.237+02:002009-10-21T15:11:29.237+02:00That should have been "impractible", I e...That should have been "impractible", I expect.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-58363742829145038772009-10-21T15:10:29.803+02:002009-10-21T15:10:29.803+02:00Actually, I think my opinion shows thru, but if yo...Actually, I think my opinion shows thru, but if you insist, here it's spelled out:<br />Do I think the aspiration of a fixed world is positive? Yes.<br /><br />Do I think Judaism rates such an aspiration high on its list of practical thngs that need to be done? No.<br /><br />Do I think the Tikkun Olam camp are using Judaism's name in vain to give respectability to an unpractible political agenda which distracts from what needs to be aimed at in the real world? Yes, mostly, tho I can see where they're coming from.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-15980334048247311742009-10-20T23:28:24.674+02:002009-10-20T23:28:24.674+02:00Now you taught us all the way from the early offic...Now you taught us all the way from the early official understanding till now; actually I have asked you for YOUR understanding of it.So?Still curious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-65255508510028154732009-10-20T07:28:52.544+02:002009-10-20T07:28:52.544+02:00To Joe-- as you may know, that means 'To repai...To Joe-- as you may know, that means 'To repair (or perfect) the world with the sovereignty of G-d'-- hardly the path to Tikkun Olam of the Progressives who misuse the term. Lets not forget the rest of the verse, which is 'and all people will call out Your name', again, not something that the Progressives seem interested in.Shalom, Cherry Hillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-27193254515678026962009-10-20T03:06:45.185+02:002009-10-20T03:06:45.185+02:00How about from Aleinu? "Letaken olam bemalhhu...How about from Aleinu? "Letaken olam bemalhhut Sha-dai".Joe in Australianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-42161293822318833702009-10-20T02:48:46.851+02:002009-10-20T02:48:46.851+02:00I beg to disagree with some of your understanding ...I beg to disagree with some of your understanding of Tikkun Olam. I think that one can make a very good argument that the use found both in the Mishnah and the Talmud describes cases in which rabbis looked outside of the formalistic sources of the law and were influenced by what some of them felt was a better outcome for society. You wrote in another post that Tikkun Olam is "a mechanism for preventing very specific, though painful, complications." Why would any rabbi have tried to prevent something "painful" if they didn't think that it was bad for society or certain individuals? This does not mean that it is equal to the modern usage, but I do think that some rabbis were influenced by larger questions about how their decisions would influence society at large. Sagit Mor wrote a dissertation on Tikkun Olam in Tannaitic literature a number of years ago if you are interested in further reading.Menachem Mendelhttp://menachemmendel.net/blog/noreply@blogger.com