tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post4425466435354305241..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: Ernest Sternberg: Purifying the WorldYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-10611397222502283212011-03-02T11:02:50.873+02:002011-03-02T11:02:50.873+02:00Sorry, I misunderstood you (a common affliction of...Sorry, I misunderstood you (a common affliction of mine).<br /><br />I assumed you meant to say that you'd consider opening the book, oh, maybe in 1900 years.<br /><br />Apologies, once again.Barry Meislinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04795125774426217113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-86809892386209415522011-03-01T21:37:28.721+02:002011-03-01T21:37:28.721+02:00thanks Nycerbarb for explaining
I was still tryin...thanks Nycerbarb for explaining<br /><br />I was still trying to muster the courage to ask<br /><br />but it's a good one - thank you for that one tooSilkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16383345395827271854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-10010090026828553552011-03-01T17:28:53.130+02:002011-03-01T17:28:53.130+02:00AIWAC -
Netiva definitely would have deserved men...AIWAC -<br /><br />Netiva definitely would have deserved mention. On the other hand, how would one go about making her sound authentic to a mostly non-Israeli readership? Even by Israeli standards, she hardly fit into any recognizable pigeonholes, and the things that made her so beloved, in her utterly wacky way, aren't obviously translatable. Though perhaps I should try.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-76301291595195238192011-03-01T17:18:32.343+02:002011-03-01T17:18:32.343+02:00It's all right. I got the joke. Seeya then :~)...It's all right. I got the joke. Seeya then :~)Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-45502508725396438542011-03-01T17:10:51.620+02:002011-03-01T17:10:51.620+02:00Barry???
I meant 1900 years for Yaacov to cover b...Barry???<br /><br />I meant 1900 years for Yaacov to cover between Herod and the Ottomans.<br /><br />I have the Peters book on reserve at the library. What do you mean by "unapproved"?<br /><br />NycerbarbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-11931670588535377692011-03-01T10:45:31.332+02:002011-03-01T10:45:31.332+02:00Well, I did say they were "inconvenient."...Well, I did say they were "inconvenient."<br /><br />(I should have added they were "unapproved.")Barry Meislinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04795125774426217113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-20191869446689744202011-02-28T20:43:14.670+02:002011-02-28T20:43:14.670+02:00I will wait 1900 years.
Thanks
NycerbarbI will wait 1900 years.<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />NycerbarbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-67927936976809616092011-02-28T20:11:22.818+02:002011-02-28T20:11:22.818+02:00You might be interested in reading the first sever...You might be interested in reading the first several chapters of Joan Peters history, which include some really inconvenient "narratives"....Barry Meislinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04795125774426217113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-86218042428711514982011-02-28T18:48:07.255+02:002011-02-28T18:48:07.255+02:00Nycer -
You're right. It's fascinating, b...Nycer -<br /><br />You're right. It's fascinating, but not satisfying.<br /><br />I'm at the beginning of Simon Sebag Montifeore's "Jerusalem, a Biography"; if he answers your questions I'll tell you when he gets there (right not I"m only at Herod). A for the facts I do know: there was a Jewish majority in Jerusalem by the mid-19th century, perhaps as early as 1837. There was no nationally-motivated violence before 1920 (not 1921), but the affair with the benches at the Western Wall was in 1929. I haven't ever heard that the Ottomans had a separate legal or taxation system for Jews, but in any case by the 1840's it would have been moot, since the various European powers were encroaching on the city and Jews tended to identify as their citizens - so that the only place in the world where a Jews was proud of being a citizen of Czarist Russia was Jerusalem...Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-58324977655674152282011-02-28T18:24:46.921+02:002011-02-28T18:24:46.921+02:00Although Sternberg presents the observation that t...Although Sternberg presents the observation that the anti-Empire left has latched on to the anti-Zionist meme, and why they need to have a "public enemy #1," he doesn't really explain how it came to be adopted, other than the "enemy of my friend is my enemy."<br /><br />This led me to thinking about what was the structure of government under the Ottoman's in pre-Mandate times, and how did that change under the British. Has anyone done a good treatment of this topic?<br /><br />I know Jews were at least a plurality, if not a majority in Jerusalem, before WWI. Were they subject to special taxes because they were Jews? Were their political and economic rights limited because they were Jews? What was the status of other non-Muslims under the Ottoman? How did the British rule change anything in this regard?<br /><br />According to what I have read, there was no Arab-Jewish politcial violence prior to the Mandate. Violence begins with riots in 1921 objecting to Jews bringing chairs and a partition to the Western Wall for Yom Kippur.<br /><br />Yaacov, can you point me to a good source?<br /><br />NycerbarbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-63085753454569391452011-02-28T14:54:18.917+02:002011-02-28T14:54:18.917+02:00Yaacov,
Why no mention of Netiva Ben-Yehuda's...Yaacov,<br /><br />Why no mention of Netiva Ben-Yehuda's passing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-14965216554975437652011-02-27T10:16:17.017+02:002011-02-27T10:16:17.017+02:00By now I'm only 6 pages into the essay but alr...By now I'm only 6 pages into the essay but already think that Purificationism, no matter how apt, needs to be approved on, it isn't snappy enough. Here are my first tries:<br /><br />Holy-ganism (derived from Hooliganism which since it is a soccer-phenomenon may be too alien for Americans)<br /><br />Ass-a-Saint (as best I know Judaism doesn't do Saints, and sometimes I think "they" are as ignorant about "our" early learnings as "we" are about "theirs".<br /><br />And since Wikileaks certainly belongs to the "movement" here are 2 philosophers musing about it. <br /><br />Julian Assange and the rise of nerd supremacy<br />http://www.abc.net.au/rn/philosopherszone/stories/2011/3139205.htm<br /><br />The Julian Assange Conspiracy - Networks, power and activism<br />http://www.abc.net.au/rn/philosopherszone/stories/2011/3145329.htm<br /><br />The second one refers to an essay Assange wrote the meaning of parts of it even the philosopher doesn't understand (yet). I have to listen to it again because the whole concept - Assange's not the philosopher's - of being unwittingly a member of an (evil) conspiracy sounds very alluring to me ;-)Silkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16383345395827271854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-73485732946993961502011-02-27T07:36:20.470+02:002011-02-27T07:36:20.470+02:00Shavua Tov -
Well, that was a really cheerful art...Shavua Tov -<br /><br />Well, that was a really cheerful article - not. Now, I am very afraid.<br /><br />Wow, Yaakov. The video link is to the entire Yale Anti-Semitism conference from 2009! How cool is that? Now I will get no work done at all!<br /><br />I am still processing Sternberg, in the meantime I have a question. He writes on page 21 "... totalitarianism has depended on anti-Semitism.<br />Hannah Arendt pointed out that Stalin renewed the tradition after World War II<br />by inventing the concept of a Zionist world conspiracy."<br /><br />Can someone point me to what this is referring, so I can a little historical background?<br /><br />NycerbarbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-55006895141270285172011-02-25T04:48:41.788+02:002011-02-25T04:48:41.788+02:00I discovered Sternberg's article just over a y...I discovered Sternberg's article just over a year ago. It is exceptional, and I, too, heartily recommend it. Ernest and I had an exchange, and he gave me permission to reproduce it at <i>the sad red earth</i> a much shorter article called "Zionism and Universal Justice," originally published in a New York State University at Buffalo student magazine. It is a powerful brief <a href="http://sadredearth.com/an-affirmation-of-zionism/" rel="nofollow">Affirmation of Zionism</a>.<br /><br />It's true that Sternberg's field is urban planning. He'd simply had enought, began to research and began to write. He has been a leader of Scholars for Peace in the Middle East.the sad red earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03274385814146546329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-21207643060290367132011-02-25T04:07:54.596+02:002011-02-25T04:07:54.596+02:00Wow, that is one hell of an essay. A lucid and ver...Wow, that is one hell of an essay. A lucid and very complete account of what I've been increasingly turning against in recent years.<br /><br />Much to my shame, just a few years ago, I bought in to much of the "purification" agenda, especially the anti-Americanism. I'm so glad I didn't succumb to it. I sometimes wonder whether it was just a lucky accident that I avoided that fate, or if it was certain to happen sooner or later.Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13336649267304857235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-19918231741619108622011-02-25T00:10:30.932+02:002011-02-25T00:10:30.932+02:00Hitler also wanted to purify the world.
He almost...Hitler also wanted to purify the world.<br /><br />He almost succeeded. <br /><br />Some eager beavers want to take up where he left off.Barry Meislinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04795125774426217113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-50588340280573684742011-02-24T23:58:05.689+02:002011-02-24T23:58:05.689+02:00Silke -
What a great description. You gave me suc...Silke -<br /><br />What a great description. You gave me such a big smile.<br /><br />I printed the article last night to read over the weekend.<br /><br />NycerbarbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-42774481349486433332011-02-24T20:59:26.831+02:002011-02-24T20:59:26.831+02:00It´s an excellent article. A must.It´s an excellent article. A must.Sérgionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-57232319910124578862011-02-24T20:55:59.354+02:002011-02-24T20:55:59.354+02:00Judging from the Abstract it will be a delight to ...Judging from the Abstract it will be a delight to read the guy since he seems to write what I've been preaching for how long now?<br /><br />thanks! I need something like that - I've just finished listening to Philip Weiss - what a malicious empty-headed one, in fairy tales he'd be the evil dwarf like Rumpelstilzchen maybe.Silkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16383345395827271854noreply@blogger.com