tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post8033195143418176768..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: The NIF Supports Israel's EnemiesYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-8679122583148383972010-06-15T12:17:33.765+03:002010-06-15T12:17:33.765+03:00thanks Yaacov
for that reminder that I one should...thanks Yaacov<br /> for that reminder that I one should never start overreading such accusations just because they are repeated ad nauseam <br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-26142602531723847882010-06-15T11:16:40.282+03:002010-06-15T11:16:40.282+03:00Hi Naomi,
I really do appreciate your coming by. ...Hi Naomi,<br /><br />I really do appreciate your coming by. However, you might want to note that responding to comments more than a week after a blog post went up, especially on a small blog such as this, is probably not a good way to spend your time. At this stage there can't be more than four or five people who'll ever read your comments, and one of them is our in-house jester the Rabbi Tony.<br /><br />I'm puzzled however by a comment you've just made, about how "Israel is not behaving as a liberal democracy in so many areas. We work to try to correct that."<br /><br />Do you have any evidence for this puzzling statement? For the life of me I can't imagine what it might be, since the statement is not true. Flat, black-and-white wrong, with nary any wriggle room. It's simply calumny.<br /><br />What is true however is that the NIF and its grantees, by eagerly disseminating this falsity, are defaming the state of Israel, and are eagerly being cited by our many enemies.Yaacovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-8079331439935934032010-06-14T11:07:17.463+03:002010-06-14T11:07:17.463+03:00ooops - I meant that one of course:
aplologizing
...ooops - I meant that one of course:<br /><br />aplologizing<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-12966086733674989372010-06-14T10:18:12.350+03:002010-06-14T10:18:12.350+03:00Tony Rabbi
great tongue twister that one is - tha...Tony Rabbi<br /><br />great tongue twister that one is - thanky youy!<br /><br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-20152799383566300412010-06-14T02:03:07.508+03:002010-06-14T02:03:07.508+03:00Naomi
The only thing you have to apologize for is ...Naomi<br />The only thing you have to apologize for is being inconsistent. You claim to support isreael, but you know better than I that it is a theocracy created by ethnic cleansing and historical myths. In comparison, even Pakistan comes out smelling like a rose.Why do you have to answer critics you will never satisy.? Why not come out of the closet and say what all progressives truly know_that israel is not a democracy and can never become one? I love the work that you do but why keep aplologizing?Rabbi Tony Jutnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-19690686941380429742010-06-13T17:42:51.190+03:002010-06-13T17:42:51.190+03:00thanks Naomi
I am flat out on the floor that'...thanks Naomi<br /><br />I am flat out on the floor that's how honoured and gratified I am by your patience with me especially on a Sunday morning ...<br /><br />Gossip is important and in my field what one talks during seminars and work-shops while sipping coffee during breaks is highly informative but of course people in the charity industry are different from anybody else, they would never ever sink so low as to swap insider-news during coffee breaks and then after Israeli soldiers have been bad injured rat on their co-charity-workers, especially not if their only objective is to do good to Israel. Never mind Israel, that's not how one behaves in polite company, n'est-ce pas?<br /><br />I've got it that you work only on correcting and ameliorating and what else Israeli behaviour but still, why do you consider them in need of such special attention by an organisation with no Israeli oversight?<br /><br />And one thing else: <br />if I remember correctly you claimed in an earlier post that your organisation was superior in transparency to NGO-Monitor. I hope you realize that you have nulled that claim at least for me.<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-87627971363934923682010-06-13T17:01:55.878+03:002010-06-13T17:01:55.878+03:00I'm not evading anything, just patiently tryin...I'm not evading anything, just patiently trying to answer your questions on a Sunday morning. I don't know anything more about IHH than anyone else does who reads the paper. We're incorporated in the U.S. and work exclusively in Israel, how would we interact with a charity that is apparently Turkish? Any 'charity industry gossip' would be just that, anyway.Payis Athenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07643573869720801606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-45051550708139444112010-06-13T16:54:40.846+03:002010-06-13T16:54:40.846+03:00Thank you Naomi
1/2
your answer to my Heinrich-Bö...Thank you Naomi<br /><br />1/2<br />your answer to my Heinrich-Böll question confirms my guess that your claim to "total" transparency is just a claim and that you are as opaque and most likely given to hiding in plain site as all the others I had a look at and maybe it is in the nature of the NGO business that it has to be that way i.e. when foreign government vetted organizations take it upon themselves to nanny and teach another society manners it is better one can refer obnoxious inquirers down the chain of command. I understand that perfectly. All bureaucracies at all times and anywhere have always used that evasion.<br /><br />BTW don't you find it strange that to the best of my knowledge there never was a New Germany Fund. You re-educated us and after that you left us very much alone. From your answer I conclude that you consider Israelis other than Germans in need of something like permanent re-education and nannying?<br /><br />2/2<br />As to your evading an answer to my second grievance with your organization: I think it is a bit weak i.e. too much akin to McKinsey-style wool-over-eye-pulling and doesn't address my question at all, i.e. to whom do you tell what the grapevine of the charity industry gossips about IHH?<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-15718572405331770562010-06-13T16:06:38.083+03:002010-06-13T16:06:38.083+03:001. We're not delegitimizing the "Zionist ...1. We're not delegitimizing the "Zionist entity" at all. As we support Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. We think the delegtimizing -- and interesting how quickly that became a synonym for legitimate criticism of Israeli government policies -- is mostly because Israel is not behaving as a liberal democracy in so many areas. We work to try to correct that.<br /><br />And NIF funds more than 400 groups if you count the groups that do not receive core funding from us but for which we are a conduit for donor-advised funding. All of those groups receive funding from other sources as well, and I'm not personally familiar with the hundreds of organizations that fund them. However, to receive NIF funding or DA funding through us, an organization must be transparent and accountable, meaning all their funding must be visible. If some organizations are receiving funding from Heinrich Boll, please direct your questions to them.<br /><br />NIF is on par with responsible funders worldwide. Organizations we fund are not subsidiaries or puppets but autonomous groups with their own policies, procedures and funding sources. Our standards for funding are rigorous, but we do not "own" these organizations and question about other funding sources are properly directed to them.Payis Athenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07643573869720801606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-91228176031352776852010-06-13T15:02:06.978+03:002010-06-13T15:02:06.978+03:00that's all you can come up with Tony Rabbi?
r...that's all you can come up with Tony Rabbi?<br /><br />really! - seems to me your little grey cells aren't up to it any longer.<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-75961376900904264542010-06-13T13:58:57.678+03:002010-06-13T13:58:57.678+03:00So what if NIF accepts cash from Heinrich-Boll or ...So what if NIF accepts cash from Heinrich-Boll or IHH. I would take money from them if it were offered to meRabbi Tony Jutnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-59035011712849167522010-06-13T12:08:59.353+03:002010-06-13T12:08:59.353+03:00Hi Tony Rabbi
I like that one about the Peace Nob...Hi Tony Rabbi<br /><br />I like that one about the Peace Nobel it seems very likely to me<br /><br />But could you please ask "dear Naomi" from me <br /><br />a) how come that her total transparency outfit doesn't know anything about a cooperation with Heinrich-Böll<br /><br />b) how come that she seems to have no interesting gossip on IHH to share with us. Everybody else I have ever come across was full of gossip about all others in his/her field of expertise - but charities are different? They don't do gossip? I find that hard to believe. <br /><br />So please ask her, maybe she'll consider you to be worthy of an answer.<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-25349673086874096792010-06-13T06:20:55.767+03:002010-06-13T06:20:55.767+03:00Dear Naomi
You have nothing to apologize for. I pe...Dear Naomi<br />You have nothing to apologize for. I personally support the delegitimization of the zionist entity as well as the NIFs efforts, and feel that support of both of these are internally consistent. The ziocons will have a bit of egg on their face when Goldstone and Erdogan share the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize. My inside sources inform me that they are leading contenderesRabbi Tony Jutnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-85492097190704282622010-06-10T02:34:17.503+03:002010-06-10T02:34:17.503+03:00I just read a piece by James Surowiecki from this ...I just read a piece by James Surowiecki from this week's New Yorker (link below) who explains a lot better than I ever could why I am so underimpressed by all the scrutiny NIF subjects itself to. <br /><br />After what I have learned due to the "crisis" about the performance of the still considered to be completely trustworthy rating agencies and all kinds of other revered outfits, why should I, a member of the common public, still put any trust in any such outfit. <br /><br />And looking at it from a viewpoint of NGOs there is now the disaster with the lauded by the Turkish government IHH which certainly must make them all open to suspicion. <br /><br />Come to think of it to date I have read no full-throated condemnation of IHH by a charity - by my last count I am not even sure whether IHH's headquarter is in Germany or Turkey or both.<br /><br />Couldn't charities who surely know more of eachothers' doings not tell the public everything they have heard about this colleague of theirs?<br /><br />That there is the claimed by the media increasing loss in trust is for real, seems to me confirmed whenever I hear people talking - nobody sane seems still to believe anything and the others root for conspiracy theories. <br /><br />And why should NGOs be exempt from all this after one of them was involved in the Gaza flotilla? <br /><br />It seems I have made another discovery that makes me fear that we live in interesting times. All institutions seem to loose it, one after the other.<br /><br />Silke<br /><br /><br />"These failures weren’t accidents. They were the all too predictable result of the deregulationary fervor that has gripped Washington in recent years, pushing the message that most regulation is unnecessary at best and downright harmful at worst. The result is that agencies have often been led by people skeptical of their own duties. This gave us the worst of both worlds: too little supervision encouraged corporate recklessness, while the existence of these agencies encouraged public complacency."<br />http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2010/06/14/100614ta_talk_surowieckiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-65674567163708843312010-06-10T00:24:34.422+03:002010-06-10T00:24:34.422+03:00RK
for one reason or another I probably wanted to ...RK<br />for one reason or another I probably wanted to reaffirm it "extra-strong" why I am so hung up on sovereignty, the respect of borders and the whole thing. In my book this whole cross-border chariting is threatening to demolish the system established in 1648 in Westphalia.<br /><br /> Sorry, I seem to be unable to find your remark which made me feel that that I had to say it in that way.<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-59728261005028574592010-06-10T00:15:40.182+03:002010-06-10T00:15:40.182+03:00for RK Germany is the country of the peace of West...<i>for RK Germany is the country of the peace of Westphalia and what happened before that my teachers went on about continuously - so I kind of imbibed that borders are better than the alternative from a very early age on</i><br /><br />It looks like you're directing this remark at me, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it's referring to. Did I make some sort of goof about the Thirty Years' War or something?RKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-30466796088561820082010-06-09T22:26:42.312+03:002010-06-09T22:26:42.312+03:00one of these days I will have heard or read the wo...one of these days I will have heard or read the word "complex" one time too often. <br /><br />It is used most of the times when my betters want to tell me that I am too dumb to get it and thus should better stay out of it. Thus in a wider context it is a class thing: "little" one shut up.<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-12275217638110116252010-06-09T22:02:34.729+03:002010-06-09T22:02:34.729+03:00The question of delegitimizing Israel is a complex...<i>The question of delegitimizing Israel is a complex one....</i><br /><br />But not for everyone, surely.Barry Meislinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04795125774426217113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-10663660060164582862010-06-09T18:56:37.080+03:002010-06-09T18:56:37.080+03:00thanks RK and thanks Naomi
from my own attempts t...thanks RK and thanks Naomi<br /><br />from my own attempts to learn something about NGO funding I have come away perfectly convinced that everything is above board and water-tight tax wise but strangely enough that wherever I tried to go one level or two levels beneath the surface I came onto a dead end.<br /><br />Maybe that explains why whenever the authorities manage to nail somebody to having donated to an unacceptable charity the amounts unearthed seem to be such negligeable pittances.<br /><br />I haven't come across anything from which I could conclude that anybody discussed here is drinking from that fountain but neither has anybody convinced me that inadvertently and innocently they may do nonetheless. My office life has gotten me often enough into contact with very smart tax declaration doers so that is an argument that doesn't console me much.<br /><br />But I am beginning to realize that it is a situation that can only lead to accusations hurled back and forth without anybody ever being capable of proving anything. <br /><br />But it remains that I am by my trained through decades of clerking gut's principles not happy that NGOs in one country are funded by entities (governmental or otherwise) which are not subject to scrutiny in the receiving country. That may be common practice but believe me it is highly unsound and questionable practice.<br /><br />- --- remember the still ongoing outcry at the CIA funding of that Paris outfit - Partisan Review was it?<br /><br />It is all so similar to what I realized around the year 2000 i.e. that the age old tool for the clerk i.e. look at the invoices and then check what item by item stands for and by the end of one year or two you'll have the matter at your bureaucratic fingertips had become useless and unapplicable because in the mania for doing everything via subcontractors the stuff had been hidden in such ample legalese that it would be like looking for the needle in a haystack to find out which of these contracts for example included the cost for maintaining an URL. (that change happened in the context of flat hierarchies becoming all the rage)<br /><br />The more I look at this charity stuff the more it reminds me of that office experience which seemed to frighten nobody like myself and some other old hands at the time but which I find these days strangely mirrored in all I read about mortgages and credit card contracts. (we tried to stop the mania but who could then or even now? stop uncritical computer enthusiasm? - 5 year models tell you anything you need to know anybody?)<br /><br />The above may seem to you way off topic but for a clerk all paper is handled according to the same principles and when century if not millenia old principles get declared old-fashioned and discarded no matter in which field she gets shivers down her spine. Game changers of that magnitude have always bode ill for "little" people.<br /><br />After all the above I have just decided I come off my fence and side with NGO Monitor - I admit it is a pure gut thing and I may find myself duped in the end, but that's the kind of risk one has to take <br />- I don't like states meddling with other states within their borders and to the best of my knowledge to date that is exactly what is considered normal and even de rigueur these days (including by my own government)<br /><br />Also I think WRM doesn't exaggerate one bit in his telling of the 20s and 30s (in another Yaacov post today) and so by another gut reaction on that basis I am extremely weary of anything that sniffs of "plant a tree, create a ruckus" or "without-borders". (for RK Germany is the country of the peace of Westphalia and what happened before that my teachers went on about continuously - so I kind of imbibed that borders are better than the alternative from a very early age on)<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-54106636184907562952010-06-09T18:12:34.949+03:002010-06-09T18:12:34.949+03:00I surely didn't mean to be unintelligible!
Le...I surely didn't mean to be unintelligible!<br /><br />Let's see. <br /><br />A C(3) organization is an educational nonprofit under American law. That's what we are. <br /><br />We only fund Israeli "amutot" -- the designation for a non-profit, that complies with all Israeli laws governing non-profits.<br /><br />A "990" is a reporting requirement of the US government that lists (exhaustively) all sorts of things about NIF -- our board, officers, expenditures, budget, you name it.<br /><br />There is more information here:<br /><br />http://www.nif.org/about/frequently-asked-questions.htmlPayis Athenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07643573869720801606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-52571428970063730842010-06-09T18:11:48.547+03:002010-06-09T18:11:48.547+03:00Silke,
Let me try to explain, since I suspect som...Silke,<br /><br />Let me try to explain, since I suspect some of the terminology might not be familiar to non-Americans.<br /><br />In the U.S., public charities like NIF are often referred to as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)#501.28c.29.283.29" rel="nofollow">501(c)(3) organizations</a>, referring to the section of the IRS (tax) code that grants them an exemption from income tax. Such charities have to file a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_Form_990#990" rel="nofollow">Form 990</a> with the IRS disclosing their financial information.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.charitynavigator.org/" rel="nofollow">Charity Navigator</a> is a well-known (maybe the <i>best</i> known) non-profit that rates other charities' efficiency in order to help people make decisions about where to donate. The Better Business Bureau is another consumer protection agency, which rates businesses in general, not just non-profits.<br /><br />As for my early comment, my point was simply that Steinberg tore the statements out of context in such a way as to change the meaning, when it would have been easy enough to report the statement accurately. That makes me question the credibility of the rest of his article (which I don't have time to check for myself).RKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-56922911692630745702010-06-09T16:03:11.361+03:002010-06-09T16:03:11.361+03:00Naomi
sorry but for a lay-woman your explanation i...Naomi<br />sorry but for a lay-woman your explanation is all but unintelligible and believe me I tried. <br /><br />As to Heinrich Böll ask their bureau in Israel, that's where I found the information.<br />I don't collect and store the information I gather other than in my head I am no sleuth I am bent on getting a general feel for what drives your corner of the current Zeitgeist.<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-82999587584203365632010-06-09T15:36:06.513+03:002010-06-09T15:36:06.513+03:00As with all US-incorporated NGOs, we're a year...As with all US-incorporated NGOs, we're a year behind. Our 2009 annual report will be ready shortly and have the new financials, donor and grantee listings, etc. We keep our 990s up to date. We're rated (well) by Charity Navigator and Better Business Bureau.<br /><br />We're incorporated in the U.S. as a c(3)organization. We have no relationship with Heinrich Boll (?) at all. Our organizations seek funding in a variety of places and, just as many right-wing groups are funded by individuals and groups outside Israel (Central Fund, CUFI etc) some of our groups get funding from EU sources. Again, our groups must be transparent both to qualify under Israeli law as amutot and to qualify for NIF support, and if you want to see ACRI's donors, for example, just go to their website.<br /><br />NGOM is famous for cherrypicking statements out of context, but again, that's their line of work. Not ours.Payis Athenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07643573869720801606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-7391847049294012612010-06-09T15:11:20.462+03:002010-06-09T15:11:20.462+03:00Naomi
by your recommendation I had a first glance ...Naomi<br />by your recommendation I had a first glance at NGO-Monitor's donor information. From a lay-woman's point of view it is a wee bit easier to find than yours. <br /><br />Other than that it seems to be as opaque or as open as seems to be the standard with at first glance non-shady outfits. <br />http://www.ngo-monitor.org/articles.php?cat_id=17<br /><br />I find confidence-building for me though that donations are tax-deductible in Israel <br />- i.e. they are likely to have been scrutinized by some - hopefully patriotic and sovereignty-problems conscious - Israeli government paid accountant. <br /><br />You seem to name on your site only US-taxes. <br />Do I read that correctly? <br />If yes does that mean no Israeli government accountants checks your books?<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-66030437977886757582010-06-09T14:50:19.321+03:002010-06-09T14:50:19.321+03:00Naomi
the latest list of donors you post on your w...Naomi<br />the latest list of donors you post on your website is from 2008<br />http://www.nif.org/about/financial-information/<br /><br />searching for Heinrich Böll who informed me that there existed a co-operation with you got me 92 results, the first 5 of which proved unproductive.<br /><br />so my very first impression is again that it is like the info I got from my own Foreign Office, totally transparent and inaccessible at the same time, i.e. employing the revered through the ages bureaucratic tactic of hiding in plain sight.<br /><br />When next I have time I'll check up on NGO-Monitor's according to you opaque financing - I admit to be prejudiced but that is due to a very formal information from my own government ministry.<br /><br />so sorry you had to get up early in the morning and start thinking (I hate that too) but a cursory glance at your website told me that there was already materiel available to help you in not having to do it all from scratch.<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com