tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post9032446981307561788..comments2024-01-01T01:47:59.449+02:00Comments on Yaacov Lozowick's Ruminations: The Language of the JewsYaacovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12835192312242961481noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-68306089176171206922010-04-05T19:17:49.092+03:002010-04-05T19:17:49.092+03:00Not only Yiddish is disappearing. There are other ...Not only Yiddish is disappearing. There are other Jewish languages that are disappearing: Tat, Juhuro, Yevanic, Qivruli, Judaeo-Italian and Ladino are just a few examples. <br /><br />Moreover, non-Ashkenazi Jews in Europe (Sepharadim, Greek Jews) never spoke Yiddish, and neither did the Jews of Morocco, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, etc.BitterRenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17233863356987152617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-18075860949439408622010-03-09T00:18:05.872+02:002010-03-09T00:18:05.872+02:00Considering that they appeared at your shul, it is...Considering that they appeared at your shul, it is rather unlikely, but maybe the young Belgians were Sephardim? They have not died out yet :)<br />JudithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-27425145224712720012010-03-08T20:10:10.290+02:002010-03-08T20:10:10.290+02:00Nycerbarb
I seem to remember it was a kind of Wand...Nycerbarb<br />I seem to remember it was a kind of Wanderbühne (wandering stage) but performing for quite extended times in Prague - I found it in a Kafka "best of" book and he describes how he managed to understand them not knowing Yiddish himself and goes on quite a bit about their stuff - seems like he went there evening after evening as long as they were in town - it opened a whole new world to him, his father wanting to distance himself from rural Jewishness<br />(this is what my memory tells me)<br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-34025211622254899992010-03-08T19:38:54.603+02:002010-03-08T19:38:54.603+02:00the Guardian is also generally beyond the pale if ...the Guardian is also generally beyond the pale if you believe the lament of this commentator <br /> The Guardian: loathsome and loathful<br /><br />there is also a delightful series of novels about life in Edinburgh where the horror-parents are guardian readers (none of the other is ...)<br />and now my question: <br />if that is common opinion then what is the egg and what the chicken - does the anti-semitism fuel the other nastiness or is it the other way around.<br />Silke<br /><br />http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/5813808/the-guardian-loathsome-and-loathful.thtml<br />http://www.amazon.de/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_i_0?rh=i%3Aenglish-books%2Ck%3Ascotland+street&keywords=scotland+street&ie=UTF8&qid=1268069739Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-3890894948013928922010-03-08T14:26:26.582+02:002010-03-08T14:26:26.582+02:00Annie - you beat me to it with the reference to Ci...Annie - you beat me to it with the reference to CiFwatch. <br /><br />Yakov's comment about Russians liberating the concentration camps and Yiddish-speaking officers making themselves known to the survivors as Jews themselves is interesting in the context of that and the farshtinkender Lerman's article since he and his sub-editor blamed Zionism for the demise of Yiddish, overlooking two important facts - that by slaughtering millions of Yiddish-speaking Jews, the Nazis were the real destroyers of Yiddish, and, of course, the Sephardi community never spoke Yiddish (I suppose Lerman's next article will be how Zionism killed off Ladino etc.) and Hebrew became the common language for all.<br /><br />But why not blame Zionsim instead of pausing to thing about the real causes for something or anything if you hate Israel with the virulence of Lerman and the Guardian's staff.AKUSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-86032707716657152822010-03-08T13:11:07.065+02:002010-03-08T13:11:07.065+02:00Silke-
And I didn't know there was Yiddish th...Silke-<br /><br />And I didn't know there was Yiddish theatre in Prague!<br /><br />NycerbarbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-78780633475450346442010-03-08T11:55:33.939+02:002010-03-08T11:55:33.939+02:00now here finally is the nefarious truth revealed a...now here finally is the nefarious truth revealed and W&M vindicated ;)<br />- Jews have not just one but two linguae? franca of their own for worldwide communication - verrrry verrrry suspicious and by now they have become so powerful that they don't even have to do it in secret any longer... ts ts ts<br /><br />after all other groups which are said to have a language of their own are said to do with just one - Catholic priests with Latin - Greek shop owners with Greek <br /><br />Nycerbarb<br />so glad to hear that Yiddish is kept alive - I read a book on it ages ago making the point that it was a language and not a dialect or a Rotwelsch which was public opinion at the time (1967) in Germany - tell your Yiddish speaking friends to look out for Kafka on the Yiddish theatre in Prague - it's great stuff for anybody studying a "foreign" language<br /><br />SilkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-47279046636279775982010-03-08T08:45:35.034+02:002010-03-08T08:45:35.034+02:00Interestingly, CiFWatch has an article about Tony ...Interestingly, CiFWatch has an article about Tony Lerman's disgusting piece on CiF, accusing the Zionists of deliberately suppressing or killing Yiddish for their own nefarious aims. <br /><br />I'll link to CiFWatch rather than to the cesspit: <a href="" rel="nofollow">http://cifwatch.com/2010/03/06/der-farschtinker-tony-lerman/</a>anniehttp://discardedlies.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-57467788931714035062010-03-08T03:25:44.150+02:002010-03-08T03:25:44.150+02:00Here in New York City, there is a lot of Yiddish. ...Here in New York City, there is a lot of Yiddish. In Chabad circles, you hear a lot of Hebrew. But other Hasidic groups, such as Satmer, Bobov, Ger, Munkatch, you hear lots of Yiddish. It is a very Americanized Yiddish. Children are being raised with Yiddish as their first language. Even in the non-Hasidic, but right wing Jewish frum world (the non-modern Orthodox), "Yiddish Teich" is a big deal. <br /><br />There is also a secular Yiddish revival, as well. This Yiddish is much more literate than the one you hear spoken by the Hasidim. But it is a 2nd or 3rd language for people, who study it and use it for social gatherings. I don't think they would dream of raising children in it.<br /><br />NycerbarbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4008006782907969381.post-85100645299445269242010-03-08T00:49:53.647+02:002010-03-08T00:49:53.647+02:00Many Haredim had an ideological objection to using...Many Haredim had an ideological objection to using Ivrit - it profaned Loshon haKodesh, it was too associated with Zionism and so forth. Over the past couple of decades this seems to have been quietly forgotten: Hebrew is the new <i>lingua franca</i>, as it were.Joe in Australianoreply@blogger.com